As Mosney residents continue to protest against the transfer of 111 people to different hostels across Ireland, an Irish Facebook group is migrating its own brand of racist invective. [Atrocious grammar in the following is not my own]:
Stop scaming the State, GET THEM ALL OUT, And reopen it for the Irish! – Janice Smith, Baldoyle.
There money grabbing foreıgners tat are responsıble for mst of the problems in tis country – Ray Kelly.
A fat arse politıon open the gates gve them houses for FREE money FREE taxis FREE dıd ya see the cars at mosney i dıd my mate lives near it oh and childrens allowance for theır NONE irish brats – Janice Smith (again).
They will be relocated to somewere else with beds, water, cooker, food, clothes. The homeless Irish in Dublin do not have it this good…They should be forced out, Its not their land – Shane Donnelly, Dublin.
The country barely has a pot to piss in yet they are probably spending millions of taxpayers money on this group of people to be shacked up in mosney - John Clarke, Artane.
The Irish Government gave away a great amenity when they gave Mosney Holiday Camp to asylum seekers without any consultation with the Irish people – Anne Donnelly.
What about the normal irish person out of work now with kids that need a summer holiday we should have it back to ourselfs now and let them look after themselfs – Michael Murphy, Limerick.
What started out as a ‘happy memories’ lament to the traditional Irish holiday of the 1970s/80s, soon turned to racist rants from some of the 5,000-strong Support The Reopening of Mosney group. Since news broke about the Monsey residents last week, a dangerous herd mentality began stomping and tail-swishing in the Irish breeze. Back in 2000, when Mosney’s doors shut for good, hardly anyone ranted and raved or protested at all. They were too busy sunning themselves on cheap package holidays in Majorca, Ayia Napa, Turkey and Bundoran. Of course there were the odd few…like Alderman Frank Godfrey, Mayor of Drogheda, who expressed ‘concerns’ about the local area turning into a ‘ghetto’, and a couple of letters from locals were published in the Irish press.
No-one questioned Fianna Fail’s decision, for instance, to award Mosney owner Phelim McCloskey £15 million [Irish pounds] for leasing the 300 acres and its facilities to the Department of Justice for a five year period. The most pressing concern was where to accommodate the much-loved Community Games that had always been held at Mosney. Bertie came to the rescue and ordered alternative venues in case the housing of ‘refugees’ meant the holiday camp was not available for the games. Apart from that, the transition to a holding camp for asylum seekers barely lasted the month as a news or feature item.
The dour relationship between recession and racism is not new or even news. Since the recession has cosied down like an evil-smelling blanket over Ireland in the last two years, racist incidents (and attacks) have increased at an alarming rate. Just yesterday a new Racist Incidents Support and Referral Service was announced. One of the founders, Sr Stanislaus Kennedy told the Irish Examiner: “For too long, Ireland has been in denial about the racist incidents occurring in our communities and our collective responsibility to combat racism. We know from our experience working with migrants who have experienced racism that people are subjected to violence and threats of violence, have their property damaged and are subjected to racist taunts and discrimination”.
It is the usual yack, that when recession worsens, those who feel most vulnerable look for people to blame and immigrants, foreigners, asylum seekers, basically anyone marginalised, become easy targets. The result is a virulent undercurrent of social unrest and tension, leading to the type of brain-dead rants found on the Mosney Facebook group. Interestingly, there is a total absence of cussed comments towards the real originators of the bust: property developers, banks, politicians. Let’s also be fair here: the Facebook group’s admin are folk with good intention whose message is quite simple: ‘please join this group to share happy memories of the camp and let’s hope one day it [Mosney] reopens’.
Recently, through its membership, the Irish section of the European Network against Racism had cause to insist that Facebook remove a similar group that was using the platform to racially abuse members of the Travelling Community. “Eventually Facebook complied and deleted the group,” explains Ken McCue, International Officer of Sport against Racism Ireland (SARI). “We’ve asked the Gardaí to investigate the Mosney group on Facebook but their powers are limited as it’s published in the US. However, I have reported this hate attack to the Gardaí and ENAR.”
Yesterday after reading the comments on the site I phoned a journalist pal who’d recently been to Mosney to interview some of the residents for a UK paper. He was incensed as I read out some of the malevolent messages splattered all over the group’s wall. “While I was at Mosney I met doctors, engineers, all kinds of professionals that would do anything to work and contribute to Irish society but are not being put to good use because the bureaucratic process is a mess,” he said.
He also talked about a footballer from Africa who coaches young Irish kids for free, using his own pittance to get out and train them. “I was also hugely impressed at how clean the Mosney flats were, even the stairwells were spotless unlike native Irish ones which are reeking of piss, covered in graffiti and strewn with used needles.”
The fact that the Mosney residents are not allowed rent or own property, they are only allowed stay in these hostels…that they live on €19 per week, and cannot work, or that the money to accommodate them stems from EU funds, seems to have alluded most of the ranters on the Mosney site. And let’s be clear on this €19 for the plelthora of ignorami out there who’ve never bothered asking how the payment is chopped up or made. On an asylum seeker’s social welfare receipt, there’s the full whack of €196 per week allocated that any Irish unemployed person gets…minus €177 that goes direct to the landlord on behalf of the State. And guess who’s in bed with the state when it comes to choosing/allocating landlords and accommodation? Very good, you’ve guessed right: property developers, investors, business folk, etc., the real ‘money grabbers’ who made handy lucrative deals with government to provide this much needed shelter. Make no mistake, the asylum process here is an enormous business machine and one of the few going concerns in Ireland right now in a constant state of profit.
By contrast to the reams of racist tripe we’ve been hearing of late, a letter in today’s Irish Times mirrors what a lot of ordinary Irish people feel about the plight of the residents: ‘It is bad enough that these most vulnerable of people must put their lives on hold for up to seven years while the Department of Justice decides their fate, but to herd them around like cattle from one holding pen to another is an outrage. Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern and his officials should hang their heads in shame,’ it read.
Mags Treanor, a poet from Galway, who has worked with asylum seekers, has reported the Facebook page to the authorities for incitement to hatred. “To hear that people [on this site] actually think asylum seekers are the cause of the current economic situation and not the greedy Irish business people who creamed money from the state for using it as an accommodation facility is absolutely ridiculous,” she said.
Around 96% of refugees in Ireland have their initial asylum applications rejected under a system human rights campaigners have denounced as “inhumane”. Only Greece has a lower rate of accepting asylum seekers in the EU, taking in just 1.2% of refugees, according to the European commission body Eurostat. In the UK, 26.9% of asylum applications were accepted upon application last year. On appeal, those numbers rose to an estimated 30% for the UK, but to only 7.8% in Ireland, Eurostat said. [Source: The Guardian]
While the people of Mosney have yet to find out their fate, the racist underclass in Ireland continues to lobby for the return of their holiday camp, which in my memory at least, was famed for its floating turds in the glass-encasaed swimming pool, karaoke (before karaoke machines) and greasy chips in polystyrene cones. In all reality this latest round of Facebook ‘comments’ is nothing to do with feeling sentimental about a budget holiday destination or about expressing how broke and marginalised, frightened and powerless, people feel during recession. It is about blame and ignorance and stupidity and how the moral impunity of social networking allows hate to thrive.
“The five years given to house asylum seekers is up and that’s that,” writes Sarah Heavey. Her opinion is fairly typical of many who have left messages so far: ”Either re-house them like planned or send them home. I am not racist and I truly sympathise with them, but Ireland is in financial ruin now and reopening Mosney will provide much-needed employment, as well as providing holidays for people.”
Please take the time to register your distaste for the racist voices on the Facebook page here
June Caldwell is a writer, who after 13 years of journalism, is finally writing a novel. She has a MA in Creative Writing and was winner of ‘Best Blog Post’ award at the 2011 Irish Blog Awards. You can read this post on her own blog here:
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Sorry, June.
Your post wasn’t up when I went to the dashboard to put in my own.
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Well written June, well done. I think the site is awful to be honest, please visit and register your distaste people.
“a great amenity”, Mosney? Really? Tell me she’s talking the piss. Ach she is isn’t she?
What a bunch of utter tools…
Good post June…
Manuel, Elaine, just saw your posts on the Facebook site. Brillo! Mags Treanor was the only person speaking out till now. I hope the site is shut down or forced to moderate its racist splurges.
Excellent post June. I’m all for due process but with dignity and respect and an openness to how much we benefit from new arrivals. Things would have to be pretty tough at home to be prepared to stick it out in Mosney with few resources for years on end lets face it. Eleanor
Ugh, there’s nothing more sickening than moronic racists who seem to think that asylum seekers in this country are living like kings on their magnificent 19 quid a week.
Also, as one who went on holiday in Mosney with her cousins in 1986 (I watched Fergie and Andrew’s wedding on a small portable telly in our “apartment” with my cousin Elaine and Auntie Kay), I can assure those who seem to think it was some sort of glorious holiday palace that even 25 years ago it was a bit of a kip.
I did love the glass-walled swimming pool though. I can’t lie. Hey, I was only ten!
I LOVE when racist people make themselves known by the phrase “I’m not racist *but*…”
Great article in today’s Guardian about a footballer living in Mosney who coaches Irish kids: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/06/ireland-asylum-seeker-footballer-deportation
Well done June! It’s important that reason & compassion get a voice in the midst of all the ranting & scapegoating that’s evident on the Facebook page. Thank you for writing this article & highlighting the reality that asylum-seekers face.
Regards,
Clare.
brilliant June, I love it. I think that the racists should be given a freeloaders holiday to Mosney. They get to go for five years and live on the exorbitant handout of €19 a week. Sure that’s loads…
I’ve actually stopped myself going into the site now because it makes me so angry and it’s chock full of brainless eejits looking for people to blame…most probably freeloading themselves in one way or another; resentful of anyone other than future generations of home-ground scum getting help to live free and contribute nothing. I saw this a lot too when I lived in the inner city: “dem blacks…taking errr jobs, gerrin’ all de handouts, de best houses…”. Blah Blah Blah. They don’t see the human stories or have any notion of the suffering these people have been through. They think they own the whole social welfare bucket or any right to state help for themselves. Of course there are people who will chance their arm and test the system but who in their right mind wants to live in a camp on €19 a week for years on end with no inkling of what the future will hold? The reductionist arguements barely thought through and the sheer depth of ignorance is too much to bear. “I’m not a racist….but…”
To whom it may concern.
have just read wat u wrote up on the top there and it makes me angry of wat u have said. Im a single mother and iam on the social welfare and im not freeloading of the state the nerve of u saying. My father is 63 years old and lost his job that he worked in for more then 30 years his he a freeloader ?
There is people out there that cant get jobs cause there is none out there. I pay rent on my house, I cant go on hoildays as i cant afford to etc… i cant afford a car as these days a car is luxury for me, but when i see cars parked outside the asylum seekers apartment it makes me angry, and they are suppose to be on €19 a week… Im not racist or anything like that. If they move them else were i havent got a problem with that but they dont want 2 go. Mosney is every 1′s childhood memory and would love 2 see it opened again and a hoilday that every 1 can afford.
Yours faithfully
Kat ward
Holy Christ, Kat. I can’t afford a bloody holiday or a car either and that’s certainly not the fault of asylum seekers. Get a grip on yourself!
Kat how does the plight of the Mosney asylum seekers directly affect your life right now? Also, if Mosney did reopen, it would be a private venture with a profit-making price tag and I don’t think there’d be any additional social welfare help in paying for a trip there, even if you’re pure white and pure Irish and pure on for it. It’s a bit of an illusion to think it would be cheap as chips and affordable? Sorry to hear about your Dad, the same thing has happened in my family too. A lot of people are struggling right now. I’m on social welfare myself and so far it hasn’t turned me into a resentful seething bigot.
Please correct me if I’m wrong. As far as I’m aware, all funding and expenditure on asylum seekers is provided by the EU under the Amsterdam treaty (to the tune of €8 billion disbursed to date) not by Irish taxpayers or the government. The Irish govt as well as proprietors of the accommodation centres have benefitted
greatly out of these unwelcome guests as the bulk of these funds have gone to them!
im not blaming the ayslum seekers im blaming the government i rethought bout them been here and at the end of the day they are here and that ia that nothing we can do. they are here cause ireland is an easy country 2 get into . either way if they get transferred they get transferred and if not well we have 2 deal with it.. resentful seething bigot.
this is 4 u june im not a resentful seething bigot how dare u. u dont know me. u should look in the mirror.
Well said Mutale! Yes, that’s bang on. Funds are ‘allocated’ from elsewhere (EU) for this very profitable ‘business’ of moving people around a chessboard. Of course, the people on that site have no idea of this or any of the other facts surrounding the care and accommodation of asylum seekers, what they’ve been through to get here, the regimes they have left, who is putting up the money, etc. They are screaming angry in the most grotesque way cos they think they are pilfering their stash of welfare cash or somehow denying them further beneifts. Kat, you didn’t answer my question: how are the residents of Mosney directly affecting your life? This is not about a cheap holiday is it? It’s about venting misplaced anger on vulnerable people who are not equipped to fight back. Ireland is not an ‘easy’ country to get into, as you put it, as I said in the piece above: around 96% of refugees in Ireland have their initial asylum applications rejected. I have interviewed young asylum seekers for articles, one of whom always stands out in my mind: a quiet, shy 19-yr-old man who saw his sister being raped in front of him, his mother burnt alive and his house burnt down. Can you imagine any Irish person going through an experience like that? He was traumatised but incredibly grateful to be here and he didn’t care where he ended up, what part of the planet, as long as he wasn’t sent back to where he was unfortunate enough to come from (in this case it was Rwanda). These are ‘real’ situations, not makey up ones to get a bowl of Irish stew and live in a chalet on €19 a week. That website is full of disgusting hateful comments from people who are utterly clueless of the facts and absolutely, they are resentful seething bigots; their words and opinions make that clear.
Yes, a real shame that all the angry respondents are people who have never achieved anything in their lives, long before asylum seekers set foot here. They also have no idea that the world is a global village with freedom of movement. Their small island mentality has put the ire into Ireland forevermore and they will continue to wail and gnash their teeth for posterity!
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June i can answer ur question that u asked me but 2 be honest with u i couldnt be bothered i just cant understand people like u at all and should not be allowed 2 publish anything like that calling people names the only one here that’s racist is u and u just cant see that. im not going round saying the black did this and the black done that. im not wasting my time on u i have better things 2 be doing like trying 2 scrap by with a baby. so june get a life and act ur age
Erm, what just happened?
You let yourself down with the scanger slurs on FB June – but apart from that you’ve blown any anti asylum-seeker whining nostalic ingnorance and bigotry back where it belongs, up it’s own hole. Well done and fair play. I’m off over there to piss against the wind just for the hell of it.
Christ, there are a lot of idiots on that Facebook page who seem to think that Mosney was some sort of state-owned free paradise holiday park, saying things about how we “were robbed of the only holiday centre in Ireland. Poorer countries than us provide holiday centres for their children.” IT WAS A PRIVATE FUCKING BUSINESS. It didn’t belong to the nation, it belonged to its owners and was visited by anyone who could fork out the money for a week there. Why they’re acting like every child in Ireland got a free go on the waterslide until those evil furriners moved in is beyond me.
I have no problem letting myself down making comments about scangers, because that’s exactly what they are….ranting and moaning and being under the misapprehension that ‘der guvurmint’ is paying for these people when the working classes are being denied a candyfloss-in-hand holiday in Mosney. It’s ridiculous stuff altogether and the herd mentality is dangerously deceiving. That site has been repoprted to the Gardai because the comments are so heinous and I do have strong feelings about these ignorant people who can’t seem to see the wood from the trees. Kat I can’t actually read that text English, sorry, I genuinely have problems making sense of it. From what I was able to read, you still can’t answer my question. Asylum seekers being here does not affect your life in any discernible way apart from the resentment you feel. What started out as a sentimental site bemoaning the loss of a now historical Irish budget holiday grew into racist invective and hatred as soon as the Mosney story hit the news. I’m not apologising for being angry or reative in return. I hope the site gets shut down. I’m not making any further comments on this, I’ve said all I have to say. I’m not going back into the Facebook site either: there’s even more mental comments from deadheads who are screaming: “Give us back what’s ours!” about Mosney, when the owner is the one who sold out to the government originally for a large cash sum! It was a business transaction and he cared nothing about the end of the traditional Irish holiday that seems to have come back into vogue with a bang as soon as ‘foreigners’ were housed there. That also, has alluded them, like 99% of the other facts. It’s a dialogue of the deaf at this stage. There’s no room for debate with people who can only see and hear themselves.
dear june
i dont care that u cant read wat i said 2 u u must have a big problem with that u cant understand wat i said and wat us irish speaking wat we think, and 2 say that u went 2 the garda well wat can i say that’s just childish now. i have reported u and all ur so call friends on this because this whole thing is ridiculous.
Good piece, informative. I doubt very much if half those people would even enjoy the low-level chalet holiday that was Mosney, and would probably still head to the Costa del Sol instead. I had a brief look at that Facebook site and it seems to be nothing more than a vehicle for racism.
mosney was not a low level- chalet holiday it was a holiday that people could afford my parents could not afford 2 bring my brother, sister and me on holidays to a hotter country back then. I would say if they had the money they probably would. Costa Del Sol well its full of irish!!
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I dont care anymore bout this crap that is going on with every 1. I dont care if its racist or not. If they move the Asylum seekers or not everybody has 2 deal with it. So wat
Mosney has been gone since 2000 and its never going 2 open again, and if it does it does i wish every 1 would stop calling names and telling people that they spelt wrong etc…..
Its not the Asylum seekers fault its the governments and we all shouldd be blaming them for all this that’s going on..
Result! A big glut of those racist idiots and their disgusting comments have been removed from the Support The Reopening of Mosney Facebook page thanks to ‘bad publicity’ pressure as well as the Gardai being informed. While the people concerned (listed above in the opening quotes) did not consider their comments any way harmful or distasteful, common sense prevailed and the admin folk at the site took action.
wow this page is mad.. i was in mosney yrs ago i loved it as a child an my kids would have loved it 2day but as we all no there is no chane of that happening!! i dont think it should have been shut down in order of asylum seekers but hey wot can ye do?? i was up there yesterday and i asked security could i have a look around an there was nooooooo way they were lettin me!! ppl who are callin the names gotta realise they are on a public page an are been reported (not by me)…
Hi Anna. Ta for commenting. Yeah, the actual owner of Mosney sold his holiday camp to the government for the purpose of making money. He didn’t give a fiddlers if people would lament its loss or not. The Irish government has made quite a few quid from the ‘asylum process’, and continues to do so, even though 96% of those who apply, get rejected. Whatever people feel, the original comments on the Facebook page (which have now been removed) were more in line with the Ku Klux Klan than Irish nationalism. No-one denies that there’s a lot of sentimental feelings about Mosney, but aggression towards other people who are vulnerable (regardless of how you feel about them coming here) is not nice. And let’s be honest: the people who were hauling the insults, do you think they’d really be interested in bringing their modern kids (who are used to sun holidays) to a damp camp in the Irish midlands? It was just an excuse to spout off racist crap. The Facebook site is now ‘back to normal’ and people are writing about their happy memories, etc., which is what it was set up for. As for gaining access to Mosney to have a look around: that’s not possible as it’s not a public facility anymore and has all the same security as say a private nursing home would have. But hopefully there’ll be other places in the future.
European commission body Eurostat. In the UK, 26.9% of asylum applications were accepted upon application last year. On appeal, those numbers rose to an estimated 30% for the UK, but to only 7.8% in Ireland, Eurostat said.
I think the main issue over the Mosney protest was that whether Mosney is a good or bad facility, the irish government and people ( with some EU funding) are providing food and shelter to the asylum seekers.
People seeking aslyum are not automatically entitled to go where ever they like. I know one of the rules of asylum is that you must declare in the first country you arrive at… There are some ( not all) asylum seekers that seek out countries like the uk and ireland, assumingly for the quality of life ? Why else bypass other countries to get here ??
My issue with the Mosney protests is that the people involved were being moved to alternative accomodation at no cost to themselves. If my accomodation etc was provided by the state I would have to take it whereever the state decides that to be. Also when we visit other countries we have to respect their laws and traditions ( my gf covers up in some countries doesn’t go out alone etc. ) But yet some people think they don’t have to show respect to Irish laws and traditions.
Re: If my accomodation etc was provided by the state I would have to take it wherever the state decides that to be.
….if that were the case the backlog of local authority housing [Irish] folk on the waiting list would be piled gratefully into empty ‘ghost estate’ houses which no-one is suggesting could ever realistically happen. They don’t want to (or aren’t expected to) leave their communities and current infrastructures, regardless of how much they need housing. Same applies for the residsents of Mosney who’ve built a life for themselves in the camp while their final fate is decided by strangers.
I think they(Irish) should be too. Why should the state be paying landlords over €1,000 a month rent for housing when we “own” all these ghost estates through NAMA. Nominal rental income could even be made on these.
I think if people Irish or otherwise are given free housing then they should be grateful no matter where the location.
Not sure if Utopian solutions could be applied to a near Dystopian situation! But I agree, yes, the ghost estates are a dismal disgrace and leaving them to rot, knocking them down or even utilisnig them, all costs money that developers no longer have access to, banks are no longer willing to fiddle for. But I’ve no doubt at all that someone somewhere will turn that into a nepotistic corrupt flourishing business too. There’s no point in even mentioning the government: it’s on a common sense break. FF might just pay a few extra [borrowed] billions to hire external EU consultants to tell them what to do next, I imagine. The 1916 heroes must be spinning in their graves!